Hi

Yes you are correct it has been a long time since I posted the purple ribbon
thing.

Here is what I wrote to another email group.

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zz wrote:
>>>
innocent lives should be remembered and those heroes that help save
lives and rescue others as well.onour continent we have been spared
the taste and smell of war. only through distant views brought into our
homes are we allowed to vicariously share in others grief, views sent and
polished by our propaganda machine. let us remember ALL the atrocities
of ALL militant greedy ignorant nations, even our beloved USA

I agreed.
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yyy wrote:
>>>Hi Jamie -- The purple ribbon idea is interesting but I don't think it will
catch on.

I didn't worry whether it would catch on or not. I just liked it since I prefer
purple to yellow anyway. I
love lilacs as well. I
like the idea for putting them up in remembrance of all those affected by
terrorism and those who
support, life and freedom
of knowledge to all. This includes more than some military. It is for many
people honored for their
efforts for humanity. I
don't know yet if Bush deserves praise or not. More than likely the 9-11
atrocity was allowed to happen
to sway public
opinion. Back in the presidents father term we had sold lots of arms to Iraq
and then we allowed him to
attack Kuiwat . then
we get public outraged and we go to war against Iraq. Russia and USA and China
have all benefited from
the terrorist
purchase of arms and AfganistanIraq-kuwait. Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to
happen to sway public
opinion to get into
WWI. My dad was in Naval intelligence and was aware of it. Roosevelt blocked
info to the pacific fleet
commanders even
though it was known japan was going to attack. You can read the facts in a
book "Day of Deceit" by Robert
Stennit 2000. I
understand that these things are done in politics over and over during the
centuries. (i feel it it wrong
to sacrifice people to
sway opinion or even to use this behavior to continue to maintain support).
This is a hard war as a
hippie to deal with.
Reason is that I felt WWII was needed to stop Hitler. This is WWIII, and I
certainly am against bullies
and terrorist. That
leaves me torn because I do not want terrorist but usa has also been and is a
bully too. When I figure it
out I will let you
know.
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xxxx wrote:

>
>
> Hi, I want to ask to all the orgonomists or friends of orgone here on this
email
> group:
>
> what is the most important thing to do in this world?

I would concentrate on prenatal care and raising infants and children in a self
regulating and uninhibited sexual atmosphere.

regards ........Jogg
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Dear Whom it regards,

I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but it seems strange to hold on to a memory
of a dark event that is/was
caused by the plague
and how it relates to fascism irrationality. The best thing any of us can do is
help make the prophylaxis
more current in today's
world....spread the word and all of Reich's discoveries...That's the real hope.

For love, work, and knowledge,
Chris ......
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Now a few comments to your reply interspersed

> Date : Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:13:15 +0200
> De : "Thierry KWON-JEANNE" <thierry_kwon_jeanne@...>
> Objet : Re: Re: PURPLE RIBBON
>
> Jamie,
>
> This is the first time for the US citizens to reap on their soil the wrath
> that they have been sowing for at least the last 30 years.

Yes but not the first time in our history. We have had Washington DC burned to
the ground once by the
British.
Attacked by the Japanese even though we allowed it to happen.

> I know that in
> USA, nobody understand why some young guys hate you as a people so much that
> they are ready to sacrifice their lives and the ones of many more, Americans
> in this instance.

This is not true. There are some of us who understand. I do but it does not make
it a correct thing to do.
To kill innocent people for anyone including all countries.

> I strongly encourage you to inquiry about the policy that
> the US Gov have been following in Afghanistan and Pakistan since the Soviet
> invasion in 1979.

I am very aware of it.

> My saying is not a way to accept, forgive or support the massacre of 7000
> people. My saying is that be carefull where you aim your anger.

Who is aiming the anger. I am not. I am just sad to see the effects.
Do you mean me here or the usa?

> I believe that your government is partly responsible for what has happened on
the 11th
> of September.

Of course. It is interaction of parties involved.

> I will wear a rubban only if some explanations are asked by
> the US citizens to their governement regarding their support, financing and
> creation of Taliban power through the Pakistani Sub-contractor of ISI (Inter
> Service INtelligence). I will wear a ribbon only if the US governement force
> the democratic government of Israel to follow the 4 different treaties that
> the Israelis signed regarding Israel/Palestine. The last 2 treaties where
> supposed to be overviewed and if requiered enforced by the USA. I will wear
> a Purple Ribbon if the USA and United Kingdom lift the unnecessary embargo
> on Irak, that lead to the death of at least
> 1 000 000 Irakis civilians since Desert Storm.

You will not wear a ribbon. It is obvious your conditions will not be met.
As for the Iraq situation your figure is exaggerated and there are 2 ways to
look at it.
Iraq refuses to comply with the surrender conditions they signed.
Iraq refused to spend money they had on medicine for its people.
They spent the money on Suddams projects instead.
Yes we have an embargo on them.
Iraq slaughtered its own Kurd people in the North and south.

> Please, I have no lessons to give, but consider that what you are currently
> living as a nation and a people now, is a situation in which millions of
> people are living for some years. Even if they are wrong in the analysis
> that states that US GOv is responsible for a heavy part of the situation,
> their analysis needs to be considered, only for having another ring of bell.

Yes. Hey the usa slaughtered the native americans.
Not all did this. Not all americans condoned this
Not all muslims, islamic, or arabs would condone what OBL and Taliband do.


> Taliban are wrong to treat women the way they do, they are wrong for leading
> the country the way they do. But US gov holds a tremendous responsability
> for the strength of their grip on power.

Of course and so do the "little men" in Afghanistan who allow it.

> And now that the talks are about sending ground troops, this is absolutely
> irresponsible. Can you only imagine how strong the risks are that Pakistan
> become a Taliban country? These people have nuclear capacity, the will to
> use it and the ennemies (India).

This is conjecture but it could happen.

> If a moderate Arab or Muslim country is overthrown (say Egypt e.g.), you
> have no idea the shit that we the world are in.

Yes I do. It would be like a chronically armored person reacting as a serial
killer does when his armor is
pressured.
All chaotic reactions come through the armor in irrational ways. That is what
this is all about. Raising of
children in a life positive way.

> I stop there. Anger is too powerfull to be aimed carelessly. Make sure that
> yours as a nation is not going to make you reap a stronger one and that the
> world is not reaping as well.

I can not make usa do something or not do something. Politics are not the
answer.
Politics only treats symptoms of the emotional plague. Raising children and
infants in positive and un
oppressed, non traumatic upbringing is where the energy given will be reaped
later.

regards Jogg

Sorry to those hoping for francais to be written here
It was too long to translate via computer and it would be distorted in the
computer translation.
Try this url to translate some parts of this you wish.

Désolé à ceux l'espoir des francais pour l'écrire ici était trop long pour
traduire par l'intermédiaire de
l'ordinateur et ce serait traduction par ordinateur tordue d'inthe. Essayez ce
URL pour traduire quelques
parties de ceci que vous souhaitez.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn


> Thierry Kwon-Jeanne wrote:
>
> > Date : Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:36:51 +0200
> > De : "Thierry KWON-JEANNE" <thierry_kwon_jeanne@...>
> > Objet : Re: PURPLE RIBBON
> >
> >I am not sure that I understand the thinking behind this mail. Is it
> >requested to wear a symbol of adhesion to the US and UK military action
> >under way? Or is it simply a way to mourn people who died horribly?
> >
> >Thierry Kwon-Jeanne
> >======
> >Bon Jour Thierry,
> >
> >its to mourn people who died.. it could also include all the women abused
> >in Afganastan.
> >
> >son pour pleurer les personnes qui sont mortes
> >
> >best regards ......Jamie Ogg
> >=====
> >S'il vous plaît lisez et passez le long Un mouvement a été commencé comme
> > cela à partir de l'orage de désert. Pendant l'orage de désert nous avons
> >attaché
> > les rubans jaunes n'importe où que nous pourrions pour ceux qui sont
> >morts en
> > raison de lui. Bien, maintenant le mouvement doit attacher les rubans
> >pourpres
> > la même voie.
> >
> >C'est pour deux raisons:
> >1. Dans le remembrance non seulement des sapeurs-pompiers,
> > officiers de police, paramedics qui sont morts, mais
> > également pour tous ce qui sont morts dans cette tragédie terrible.
> >2. Juste comme dans les militaires, quand un soldat obtiennent blessé, il
> >est donné le
> > coeur pourpre. Bien, notre pays a été blessé à son noyau. Veuillez passer
> >ceci
> > en fonction vers chacun que vous savez, et voyons les rubans pourpres
> >partout.
> > Merci
> >==============
> >